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First small bore pistol ... only which one it should be

  • Halli hello community

    As the title suggests, I am another young shooter
    who gets stuck with his first weapon choice.

    In short, I'm 21 and I don't plan to take an MPU off, so it will be a small caliber weapon.
    I have no idea about the disciplines if the question arises what I want to do with the weapon,
    That's why I can only call it training at the moment.
    What is important to me about the weapon is the accuracy, the handling and the normal appearance of a weapon,
    so no match weapons.

    The maximum budget for the weapon is around € 500-600 .

    So far I have considered the 1911 as a KK variant, of course.
    The P22 Target and possibly a CZ75 Sport, however, are far too expensive when new.
    The Ruger 22 pistol models are canceled because my father will get one.

    My problem is of course that I don't know which brand is the best for the 1911, for example Sig Sauer, Walther ...
    and whether there are any other options that I haven't found yet.

    I hope you can help me

    With best regards
    The youth

  • How about if you would first clarify for yourself what you want to do with the weapon other than want to have it.

    Just go to clubs in the area, i.e. those where you can shoot regularly and try out the different weapons and disciplines.

    By the way, when shooting, if you don't want the .177 or .22, the real cost factor is the ammunition.

    Karl

  • I have a Uhl Glock for plinking, i.e. a Glock 17 grip with a Uhl KK system. Bought in this configuration as a complete weapon. In principle, because the system is made of steel, it is unbreakable and the hand position is similar to that in GK. So far it has digested everything I put into the ammunition.
    The trigger takes some getting used to, as is typical of the Glock, and the magazines are unfortunately not cheap (95 euros).

  • How about if you would first clarify for yourself what you want to do with the weapon other than want to have it.

    If someone had suggested a bet that this statement would come up I would be a millionaire now ...
    No seriously I wrote that I want to train with it. Handling, breathing, aiming, body control ...

    I have a Uhl Glock for plinking, i.e. a Glock 17 grip with a Uhl KK system. Bought in this configuration as a complete weapon. In principle, because the system is made of steel, it is unbreakable and the hand position is similar to that in GK. So far it has digested everything I put into the ammunition.
    The trigger takes getting used to, as is typical of the Glock, and the magazines are unfortunately not cheap (95 euros).

    Thanks for the tip.
    However, first of all not possible because of the original Glock as I am only limited to KK and secondly, an exchange system costs a lot of money without even having the weapon for the system.
    But I will remember for the future.

  • There are also match rifles that still look like pistols: Smith & Wesson 41, Hämmerli 208, Hämmerli 215 (similar to 208, only surface finish made "cheaper"), Margolin (old but still okay for beginners), FN 150,
    FN International II, Erma ESP 85 A and others that I can't think of at the moment. Of course, that depends on what exactly you want to shoot with it.

  • If someone had suggested a bet that this statement would come up, I would be a millionaire now ...


    He knows his way around!

    No seriously I wrote that I want to train with it. Handling, breathing, aiming, body control ...

    But this is also possible with a club weapon or air pump without costs and effort and possibly uselessly wasted need for a weapon that is no longer usable after a short time.

    It should also have happened that newcomers with clear ideas soon switched to disciplines that were initially absolutely unacceptable to them.

    Glock would of course be possible, just without the GK system.

    Karl

  • for the first not possible because of the original Glock since I am only limited to KK and on the other hand, an exchange system costs a lot of money without even having the weapon for the system.

    You misunderstood me. I don't have a Glock in GK. You can also get a Glock as a complete weapon in .22 lr. buy without having to buy the GK version beforehand. A suitable dealer can put this together.

  • Hello young man,
    I just want to buy a new or used new car.
    I also have a truck driver's license.
    What are you suggesting to me?
    What should I buy there?
    Four wheels are important, color uninteresting or what do you think?


  • ... No, seriously, I wrote that I want to train with it. Handling, breathing, aiming, body control ...


    After a year of training, you should be able to say for sure which disciplines you want to shoot with your new weapon. Then someone here can surely help you.
    In short, the following applies to Germany: first train, then acquire a weapon.

    With the kindest regards
    Johann

  • http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=6199692

    Add a KK system and the Knifte is ready!

  • And the new members defense department is at work again.

    I'll bring the Hämmerli x-esse into the race here. At € 700 it is a bit higher than your asking price, but looks like a normal weapon. The advantage is the wide range of accessories and the low costs, e.g. a replacement magazine costs 22 €. The gun has an excellent trigger
    and is ideally suited as a training weapon

    greeting

    Dieter

  • And the new members defense department is at work again.

    No, I don't see what Karl and Herbert 4 wrote is true.
    Karl's tip about the test shots of various weapons is spot on.

    I'll bring the Hämmerli x-esse into the race here. At 700 € it is a bit above your asking price, but looks like a normal weapon. The advantage is the wide range of accessories and the low costs, e.g. a replacement magazine costs 22 €. The gun has an excellent trigger
    and is ideally suited as a training weapon

    I agree with you 100 percent. Great gun, good value for money

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    @ Juengling: Which association are you in?
    If you just want to get around the waiting time to be able to purchase large-caliber weapons (without MPU), then I would not buy my own small bore weapon, but shoot with club weapons.
    You could then use the saved money for a large-caliber weapon.
    If you want to continue training with small bore pistols later on, or if you really want to buy one, I can recommend Ruger, Hämmerli x - esse. Sig Sauer 1911 is not bad either, but the trigger resistance is too high to apply properly.

    More important than the look or the price would be that the weapon fits your hand.

    Because of the disciplines, just have a look on the website of your association, there are the disciplines offered.


  • If you just want to avoid the waiting time to buy large caliber weapons

    More important than the look or the price would be that the weapon fits your hand.

    The path to shooting sports can be varied.

    How everything then develops can only be seen later.

    Says Peter

  • And the new members defense department is at work again.

    Dieter,

    You are still new here and therefore you cannot yet know that simply structured users can post here, to whom you can convey your valuable content of your contribution with a few explanatory sentences.

    Karl

    OT: In retrospect, some rejected non-members were an asset for the association.

  • As the title suggests, I am another young shooter
    who got stuck with his first weapon choice.

    Which association would you like to use to receive a requirement and what options do the shooting ranges available to you provide?

    If you can get a Hämmerli 208/215 in good condition, you have a very universal, sporty small bore pistol that can be used with one or two hands with the appropriate grip. The Sig / GSG 1911 (Sig Sauer has it manufactured by GSG) just looks like a GK 1911, for me it is made too "cheap" in terms of material / feel.

  • The path to shooting sports can be varied.

    How everything then develops can only be seen later.

    Says Peter

    Peter, you're right again.
    Above all, weapons are herd animals that somehow reproduce