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- 26.02.2016, 15:09#341
but then it comes across as extremely bad! or he's in a state of flux. does the club colleague actually breed with the rooster? So either this is a totally unsuccessful recording, or the breed warden who judged my animals has no idea. I was told that a double point in the comb is an exclusionary error. the barrels seem very bright (although this can be deceiving due to the light) and tail sickles are also barely visible.
this is not supposed to be an attack on my club colleagues, but seriously, I would definitely not have bought the photo.
the egg color remains. how is it to be rated? because here the standard says light ceme colored
i think that the cultivated form of the european cemani is based on the indonesian look and not on the chinese black-chickens. maybe both come from one line?
when i exhibit, the scoring is done according to european standards.
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- 26.02.2016, 15:22#342
- 26.02.2016, 15:31#343
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- 26.02.2016, 18:11#345
So now I know what the other 20 eggs look like, 15 eggs have become something then makes a total of 17 with my 2 remaining eggs.
now they only have to hatch in March.
would not have thought that something would develop in so many eggs, shipping route wasn't exactly the shortest. I'm curious how many of the 17 will hatch.at Galileo they also showed them http://www.prosieben.at/tv/galileo/v...thic-huhn-clip they were created by crossing silk chickensQuote by metasequoia55Spusi, if you refer to the television report (believe by ntv) about the black chickens from china, because they laid green eggs, but these chickens don't look 100% like cemani either. I think I saw hens in the film report that had relatively large combs. in the case of purebred ceman hens, on the other hand, the comb remains relatively small.
I assumed for a long time that it was Cemani in the video, not just about race standard Cemani
at minute 0:57 you can see the additional toe
from minute 4:05 the greenish eggs can be seen,
Fibromelanosis in domestic chickens (the whole PDF can be downloaded here (download starts automatically when opening): https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j...bOXiOwDu9qVLpg).............. Despite the numerous researches on the origin and molecular mechanisms of expression of fibromelanosis, many issues still remain unclearthere are some breeds of chicken that are fibromelanistic:
.................. In several European breeds predominantly, a mutation resembling fibromelanosis called "gypsy face" is encountered. It affects only the face and some formations of the head (comb, wattles, earlobes). Here, the melanin pigmentation is superficial, affecting only the skin of the head, not well studied and probably with polygenic inheritance. Most commonly, birds with markedly dark face have also dark feathering (black, birchen, blue birchen, yellow birchen etc.) indicating an association of this phenotype trait with E and ЕR alleles of the E locus (Brumbaugh, 1967; Smyth, 1976, 1990). It is thought that sex-linked melanin-inhibiting gene is essential for the appearance of dark face (id +) in birds. In female birds, the dark face is better expressed, with well-pigmented fleshy facial growths. Breeds carrying this mutation are Ardennes chickens, Bruges game, Liège game, European Sumatra type, Tomaru, Modern English game fowl bantam, some lines European Australorps and Tuzo. It is interesting to note that a similar mutation appears in some representatives of the Black Shumen chicken, ............. Today, more than 25 breeds and breed groups with fibromelanosis expression are known, and almost all of them originate from southeastern Asia ............... Poultry breeds with fibromelanosis (DAD -IS Database, FAO) are: Silkie (Japan / Europe), Silkie Bairiong (China), Dongxiang (China), Emei Black (China), Jianghan (China), Jiangshan Silkie (China), Jiuyuan Black (China), Lueyang (China), Muchuan Silkie Black (China), Tengchongxue (China), Wumeng blacked-boned chicken (China), Xingwen black boned chicken (China), Yanjin blacked-boned chicken (China), Yugan black-boned chicken (China) , Yunyang white silked black boned chicken (China), Zhuxiang (China), Ga ac (Vietnam), Black Hmong chicken (Vietnam), Оke (Vietnam), Svart Höna (Sweden), Ayam Cemani (Indonesia), Sumatra (Indonesia) , Kadaknath (India), Ogol chicken (Korea), Argentinеan Tuzo type (Argentina). The Silkie is the most popular chicken breed with fibromelanosis (Figure 4). It has a number of mutations responsible for its unique exterior and genome: characteristic fluffy plumage (h), fibromelanosis (Fm in association with id + and W +), crest (Cr), beard (Mb), feathered legs (Pti-1; Pti -2), five toes (Po), walnut comb (P / _ / R / _) and bluish-white earlobes (Kuklenski, 1915; Hutt, 1949; Smyth, 1990; Stevens, 2005; Ekarius, 2007; Dorshorst et al ., 2010; Shinomiya et al., 2012). Another attractive breed is the Chinese Dongxiang, which apart from fibromelanosis is distinguished with its eggs with blue-greenish shellsafter the last sentence (marked in bold) the chickens in the Galileo video could be Chinese Dongxiang chickens, at least it says that this breed lays blue-green eggs. Now I have just found something to do with writing, yes are Dongxiang chickens that can be seen in the video http://www.huehner-info.de/forum/sho...hic-Huhn/page2
As far as the green "Cemani" eggs from ebay are concerned, do not think that it is Dongxiang, it will probably be Cemani Grünlegermischlinge.
I've already posted the page, http://www.carabudidayaternak.net/20...am-cemani.html
With the google translator one could only translate it very poorly, now I have found a usable translation for itCLASSIFICATION OF THE INDONESIAN AYAM CEMANI
In this article, I am going to introduce you to some of the main forms and types of Indonesian Ayam Cemani. There are many different species belonging to this breed.
As we know, an Ayam Cemani is characterized by its dark color, which extends to the core. All parts of the body, except the tongue, which is generally gray, are entirely black or a dark shade of gray.
The breed is divided into several types according to the shape and color of the animal:
Based on the shape of the comb, the Ayam Cemani is divided into four types:
1. Ayam Cemani Wilah (single comb, which enlarges towards the top.)
2. Ayam Cemani Sumpel (rose comb, small and round.)
3. Ayam Cemani Telon (Ayam Cemani with a rather broad comb, which consists of three rows, also called a pea comb.)
4. Ayam Cemani Mahkota (The round comb with its many small bumps is reminiscent of a crown.)
Based on the feathers, the Ayam Cemani is divided into five types:
1. Ayam Cemani Biasa (Normal, smooth plumage, black.)
2. Ayam Cemani Walik (Curly or bristle plumage, black.)
3. Ayam Cemani Rajeki Sodomoro / bulu besi (Long, prickly or bristly plumage, black. The feathers are also known as iron feathers. Ayam Cemani Rajeki Sodomoro is one of the ancient types of Ayam Cemani and is rarely found today.)
4. Ayam Cemani Sadong (A mostly bald chicken. The head, neck, back and chest area are almost entirely featherless. The few feathers are black.)
5. Ayam Cemani Rajek Wesi (Smooth white plumage, while the rest of the body is pitch black. The rarest and most valuable of all Ayam Cemanis.)
Based on its skin and tongue, the Ayam Cemani is divided into four categories:
1. Ayam Cemani (The term for the Indonesian black chicken with its perfectly black or dark gray color: skin, head attributes, flesh and bones. The tongue is gray and the blood is red in color.)
1.2. Ayam Cemani Super (The name for Indonesian Ayam Cemani which have an even darker color than regular Ayam Cemani.)
2. Ayam Cemani Asli (All parts of the body, including the tongue and blood, are pitch black. Even if this chicken is touted as very valuable and rare by some breeders and traders, it is usually a sales pitch. It is called Considered myth.)
3. Ayam Kedu (Overall, Ayam Kedu resembles Ayam Cemani, since it is the forefront of it. Nevertheless, some parts of the body, such as the comb and wattles, are dark red.)Ayam Cemani: 1.6 .--- Serama: 2.2 --- Showgirl: 5.2
- 26.02.2016, 18:22#346Do-it-yourself need
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I would be very interested in the result, because up until now they have always wanted to tell me that Ayam Cemani doesn’t work with artificial breeding. It is probably due to the miserable hatching egg quality that is on the move on ebay and co ...Greetings Chris
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- 27.02.2016, 13:27#347
that a cemani brood with a breeder is not entirely true, provided the brood quality is correct. However, it is correct that the hatching result is not exactly great. cemanieier are not exactly suitable for artificial breeding. a mother hen (if you have one) is definitely better.
However, it is true that the hatching result largely depends on the optimal feeding at the time of laying the hatching eggs and the selection criteria, i.e. not too small, not very dirty, not stored too long ... and ... and ... and. in other words, all of the criteria that generally apply to all hatching eggs.
but i also think that the cemani are still a relatively rare and therefore sought-after breed and that unfortunately, in the eyes of some breeders, the dollar sign has priority.Man did not weave the web of life, he is just a thread in it. Whatever he does to him, he does to himself.
- 27.02.2016, 19:17#348
- 27.02.2016, 23:54#349
Rare silver Cemani on ebay
I have to say that some wrong colors or mixed breeds look very nice,
but they should also be sold as such. More suitable for the ebay "Silver Cemani" would be: Fibromelanistic chickens in silver-black
there is even someone who specifically breeds them https://www.facebook.com/Fibrofarms/...=page_internal they also sell them under the correct nameTaking the fibro melanistic genetics found in the Ayam Cemani and Korean Ogye Yeonsan, we have developed a variety of Fibro Melanistic Fowl in various colors and breedsanother ebay Cemani offer, certainly 1A Cemani that you get therehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Ayam-Ceman...p2047675.l2557I would also like to know what is true of the rumor, but even if many are hatching now, this one result is not meaningful, it can only be luck.Quote by majorloI would be very interested in the result, because up until now they have always wanted to tell me that Ayam Cemani doesn’t work with artificial breeding. It is probably due to the miserable hatching egg quality that is on the move on ebay and co ...
But there will be something to the rumor about poor hatching rate in artificial brood, as I have already read many comments (see text in quota below) regarding hatching rate of Cemanians from others and eggs from their own chickens were also used, so poor ebay quality or shipping damage is eliminated out there
here some comments:the eggs from them are just not art-hatching-proof. The hatching rate is good under the hen, but rather poor in the breeder.After the eggs from Great Britain look very different from the others from Germany, I was curious to see what the eggs from my current Cemani will look like, now I have found a photo of eggs which, if it's true, come from the same breeder as my 3 Cemani, the eggs are very dark in color
so far i have a hatching rate of 50% in the area breeder
I've never got over 40% in different breeders
I always calculate that about 1/3 of the hatching eggs will also become chicks ... that was the case last year too
Yes I know that ! The others hatch quite well and the cemani just ned!
What do you do with your Cemani eggs in the artificial brood differently than with other breeds? I already have another machine that runs really well ... the other eggs hatched super .. only 2 of the black devils came out and the rest died shortly before they hatched
A question on the edge? How do you hatch your cemani? Since I have other breeds, I will incubate them with them! But Musd confess that cemani have the worst hatch of all 4 races
This year I hatched 40 eggs through artificial brood. A single chick has hatched! All other eggs were about 90% fertilized, but, like Maria Moseke, died in all possible stages. Many on the verge of hatching.
Then my hen sat down on 6 eggs. 5 were fertilized and hatched.
The problem with dying in the last days before hatching is believed to be a cemani problem.
Exactly ... only a few hatched in the breeder and everything that is fertilized hatches under the chicks!
I've tried everything possible and the eggs have died in various stages of development ... and many when they hatch
Question: Isn't it better to buy chicks instead of hatching eggs? Answer: try to get chicks! everyone who breeds knows about the bad hatch!
Natural brood is better! If I put eggs under a hen, everything that is fertilized hatches! I don't do artificial breeding anymore
Picked 40 eggs this year. A live chick has hatched. All others died during development or just before hatching. (Approx. 50/50). The fertilization itself was ok.
I also had other breeds with normal hatching rates. Sometimes even hatched in the same breeder at the same time.
of course, the results with natural breeding are better, but you can't say that cemanis are not artificial breeding proof just because they are 10% less.
Hello, I have heard many times that Ayam Cemani are very difficult to breed (artificial breed). I laid 11 hatching eggs myself in November, 6 of which were fertilized and hatched, 4 but died after hatching, in the meantime I have acquired a rooster and 2 hens and now 15 eggs in the breeder, 9 of which are definitely fertilized (the others have If I put it in a little later, I still don't see it exactly. Why is the artificial brood so miserable, is it the incubation temperature, the humidity? Or why are the results so much worse than with other breeds?
Last month assets ... 45 damaged, infertile or died during the incubation, 46 hatched
Unfortunately, the more darker, worse hatching, therefore expensive, a good blacker specimen
(because of copyright: I found the photo on Facebook, it is from Maria Moseke)Ayam Cemani: 1.6 .--- Serama: 2.2 --- Showgirl: 5.2
- 28.02.2016, 10:10#350
the silver-necked ones don't look bad either. I like the white cemani even better. completely black chicken with white feathers, that's even more surreal than the completely black chicken. unfortunately they are not affordable, after all, a good black one is already expensive enough!
but as far as the ads are concerned .... why do i always have such a bad feeling when someone only photographs the animals (or eggs / chicks) that they are offering for sale from a certain distance and does not show any details ?? ...
um, so that I don't get misunderstood again or misunderstand: like in the third link, a serious breeder advertisement looks like to me.
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